Rosana Crupi, Adrianne Lipscombe, and Laura Teeler
AL: All I remember was I was dancing, and you screamed into my ear: “You sexy motherfucker!”
RC: Nice. Thanks.
TP: I wonder if I was around you… I think I was around you.
LT: Oh I meant to look for pictures… I think I have some pictures.
TP: Do you remember the first time you ever heard about Kansas, or went there?
LT: I do. And it wasn’t a show or a party or anything. It was when Derek Morton lived there, and Jimmy and I went over there to watch X Files.
TP: Do you remember who was there?
LT: In my memory, Mary Chen. And in my memory Derek and Mary Chen were living there but I don’t think they actually lived there at the same time.
TP: No, they didn’t.
LT: Because I think Mary actually took his place. But I think Mary was there. And that’s really all I remember.
TP: Rosie, what about you?
RC: I don’t remember the first time, I just remember going.
TP: Do you remember who you would go with?
RC: Probably Laura. Marc.
TP: What about you?
AL: The first time I went was right after Ann started working at the Phillips Collection and Shellie and I went to see a show; and I guess Ann and Marc were trying to get Shellie and Bill together.
TP: Do you remember what show it was?
AL: I don’t remember what show it was. I don’t remember.
RC: I remember going there for shows but I couldn’t tell you who I saw there.
AL: There was some show that.
RC: I remember the Motorcycle Wars.
TP: What do you remember about the Motorcycle Wars show?
RC: Nothing in particular. I just remember being there for that.
AL: I remember being there for the Dead Teenagers.
RC: That’s what it was, it was Dead Teenagers.
AL: Motorcycle Wars, I don’t know, did they even play that house?
TP: They did. I have a theory.
RC: I remember the Dead Teenagers because that was Ryan and Ann, right?
AL: And Erik.
TP: I have a theory about why I don’t remember the Motorcycle Wars show.
LT: I don’t. I am not clear on them playing a show there, but I figured they did. I do remember the Dead Teenagers. And I remember where I was in the room, and I remember everyone was singing along at the beginning “I found ten bucks on the street.” And they would play it for a really long time and everybody would just sing it. So I remember that. And I also feel like Dead Teenagers played there with Jay Marinelli and with Ryan. But I’m not sure if that’s true.
AL: When Dead Teenagers got together, they basically formed that band to play with their friend JJ’s band that was coming in. And they had made tapes, which they threw out into the audience and which mine hit me in my head. Which I still had before I gave it Ann before her apartment went up in smoke. So I don’t think she as it anymore.
RC: I think I have my tape.
LT: The show I most remember for some reason is Black Eyes. That’s the band I most remember seeing there.
TP: What do you remember about it?
LT: I just remember it was a ton of people and the floor was moving, and they sort of would just destroy everything.
TP: What do you guys remember about seeing a show there. What was it like?
AL: It was very cozy. I hadn’t gone to any house shows prior to that, before, so it was cool to be really close to the band. And Ann would let the band stay there sometimes, and she would cook dinner. My experience, my very small experience with live music was, listen to musicians, I’m the audience and that’s it. So it was very cool to be mixed together and to be able to talk to the bands and stuff like that, and interact with them.
LT: Did go there because you knew Ann? Had you met Ann before you went there?
AL: No, only at Phillips Collection. So yeah.
TP: So she was your foray.
AL: Yeah, pretty much. Because I knew Ryan and Erik. And Ann started working there because Ryan and Erik were working there.
TP: What do you guys remember about shows being there?
LT: Very hot and crowded.
RC: Yeah, very hot.
LT: And it was dark. And sometimes I was afraid I would fall through the floor. But it’s funny because I think other people have mentioned this, too. I only remember the cops coming one time. And it would be really hot so everyone would go onto the porch and spill onto the street, and across into the parking lot or even go to 7-11 for a Slurpee. And you think the cops would be onto that, but I only remember one. I don’t remember what show it was, but I remember them coming once. And I think they came once in the afternoon for like a barbecue because they thought people were drinking, but it was root beer.
AL: Why was it root beer?
LT: I don’t know, it was like, John Bulldog’s birthday or something? It was somebody’s birthday and there were bottles of root beer.
AL: I don’t know. that sounds like a terrible barbecue.
LT: I don’t know. I mean, it was fairly amazing. The times at Monroe Street house, the Simple Machines house, any time we tried to have a party, the cops would come like three times, because our neighbor would complain.
RC: It was the perfect house for shows and stuff because it was by itself.
AL: And the field in the back.
LT: And the Hallal meat market.
TP: What do you guys remember the neighborhood being like, around there at the time?
AL: I remember eating at, what was it, the Dunkin’ Donuts across the street. And the motel. And how I wanted to live in that field behind the house. There was a shack back there and I was like, oh, I could live here! And I could just use the bathroom at Kansas House!
LT: I don’t know, it kind of stood alone.
AL: There wasn’t really a neighborhood.
LT: I feel like there were other houses on that street and they slowly got town down. Because that’s the thing.
RC: Well, they were at the other end.
AL: There was actually a house sort of across the street, some ska band that lived in that house, and there were two band houses for a brief period.
LT: Because I think there were a lot of other group houses, and houses that had shows, but to me the thing that makes Kansas stand out is how long it was able to do it.
AL: It was also really conveniently located, too. Like, the Metro, for me, coming from Chevy Chase. I would go to Virginia all the time, especially Kansas House, because I could just take the Metro and walk a block right there. Which all the other houses were deep in neighborhoods. I didn’t know Mount Pleasant well enough to just go traipsing into the maze of that neighborhood.
LT: I was gonna say, I know when Ann was living there, people would come by weekly and knock on the door, like realtors, and just want to buy the house. And I think that there were other houses on that street that got knocked down. Because there was that fenced off area that grew and grew until it was just Kansas standing alone. But, I don’t know. I mean, I lived across Wilson, I guess we were in the neighborhood.
RC: Yeah, it seemed like an older neighborhood.
LT: Do you mean like Arlington in general, like Galaxy Hut?
TP: However you want to answer, how ever you are defining your neighborhood.
LT: It was great for me because I could walk when I lived at the Simple Machines house.
TP: I think there were times when I went to your house and we walked there. There were many times that that happened.
AL: There was so much stuff to do, like in Clarendon, when Now was there, and there was the Vietamese…
AL: Dalat was there. Or you could go to Mexicali Blues when it was actually good. And then you went to Galaxy Hut, and then you went to Ann’s house. Or walk back the other way and go to Ann’s house.
TP: Do you remember being there for things that weren’t bands?
RC: I remember us going after the Galaxy Hut and making pancakes.
LT: Yeah, we did that for a while.
RC: Yeah, like at 3 o’clock in the morning making pancakes.
LT: I know I was there for a ton of shows, and probably most of the parties that happened for a period of time. But I think most of my memories are just more like Ann cooking and having a bunch of people over. I think there was one time when she had a New Year’s Eve party and then she had a New Year’s Day brunch the next day.
AL: Yeah, you’re right. She did.
LT: And I feel like I would stop by there on the way, like somebody’s band was practicing there and you would just stop by there on the way to somewhere else.
RC: And Mary Chen’s cat. I remember her cat that she got from Michelle, Iodine.
AL: She got a cat from Michelle?
RC: And how it would dip it’s food in the water and then eat it.
AL: The cat did that?
RC: And didn’t, and wasn’t Bob’s room like a closet?
AL: I actually slept in that room once. His bed was in the closet. Because it was that room had a big walk-in closet and he just had a twin bed. I think maybe my first or second time sleeping over there. Ann was just, like, go sleep in Bob’s room and I’m like, “um… this is weird!” And I kept thinking, I slept in Bob’s room! Who was in the Rondelles that lived downstairs?
TP: Juliet, or Yukiko?
AL: No Yukiko. Juliet. I slept in her room and I was just like, “she’s gonna come home, and I’m gonna be in her bed.” But I remember spending a Christmas Eve there, Shellie and I. And I went to Punk-Not-Rock salons a lot, too.
TP: What was the difference between the way those were and how a show was?
AL: It was pretty much the opposite. It was not a party at all. You’re sitting on a couch listening to Jean Cook clap, or play the violin, or something kinda weird. But it was also fun.
LT: I loved those because it was Amy Domingues, Bob. But I always felt like it was by musicians for musicians.
AL: Yeah, me too.
LT: I always felt a little, I don’t know…
AL: It was a good way to go and feel cultured.
LT: I was always like, um, I have nothing to add.
AL: It was good to feel cultured and not have to go to the Kennedy Center. It was like, oh, I’m so sophisticated because I’m listening to this avant garde music.
RC: I forgot about those.
TP: What do you remember the house was like on the inside?
LT: It was all white. Everything was white. I don’t know if I can picture the floor.
AL: And that big arc lamp that I really wanted to steal.
LT: The Gerald Ford poster, which I never understood why it was there. Gerald Ford ’76.
TP: So far, you and Jason are the only people that have mentioned that.
LT: That’s one of my strongest memories.
TP: I know, and it was right there when you walked in. It was like, Gerald Ford!
LT: Because there wasn’t a lot of decoration. Sometimes, on the mantle, I feel like there was pictures of Ann’s family and Bob’s family on the mantle, but it was very spare.
AL: There was that, didn’t they have one of those fisheye mirrors, those starburst mirrors on the wall?
LT: Maybe at some point. In some incarnation. I think of more the outside, with the porches that just became more sloping downward. It was always kind of amazing that it was still standing. But I’ve always had a vision that, first, I hoped it would be turned into the community center. The Arlington Community Center. That’s sort of how I felt like it was. But if not, I wanted us to have some party, spray paint it, burn it down, wrecking ball. I felt like it should go out like that after all its years.
RC: Do you know how many years it was, with somebody living in the house as a punk rock band thing?
TP: Cynthia remembered when it was a thrift store in the late 80s.
TP: And apparently, Ian got all of his Christmas presents there one year. I just know when Derek lived there, and that was maybe 1995 or 1996, or thereabouts. So, some time within those ten years. I don’t know if it was re-zoned or however that worked, or if she just rented it out to people.
LT: Well, Suzanne was probably there for the X Files things. Suzanne and Chris Cossu.
TP: We screened Fort Reno shirts there one year, didn’t we?
LT: Yeah, that’s another strong memory I have. The whole time Ann and I were doing Fort Reno, she was living there, so I remember, in her room, listening to the tapes and CDs of the bands. I would go every time before the show and pick her up. And we definitely screened Fort Reno shirts there. They were all over the living room.
TP: Do you remember what year that was? One year we did them at Highwood. Or maybe it was the same year, just different.
LT: No, I think it was a different year, but we might have done them there more than once. Because we did them there even after Beth took over the first year, we still did the shirts. I’m not sure about the year. I’d have to do the math.
TP: I know it was the -tshirt with the microphone that looks like a gun. But I don’t know what year that was.
RC: It doesn’t have a year on it.
TP: It doesn’t. We should probably complain to the artist!
RC: To the artist… that he did not put a date on it!
AL: You didn’t do a very good job with the shirts!
LT: We did Fort Reno for two years. Was that what you were going to ask?
AL: I thought you just did it one year.
LT: No, we did it two years. And we screened shirts a third year when Beth took over doing the booking, but we still did the shirts. And also I remember Yukiko was living there at that time, with Ann. I’m not sure who else was living there at that point. Maybe Bob still.
AL: I think Bob was still there when Yukiko was there. Was Jason Hammacher downstairs? Because Yukiko was upstairs.
LT: Yeah, Yukiko and Ann were upstairs. And, maybe Bob was still there. Could that have been it, just three?
AL: No because the room was downstairs.
TP: Chris Richards took Juliet’s space, in the Jonathan room. But he wasn’t there for very long, and then Jason Hammacher moved into that room.
LT: I don’t remember Jason Hammacher living there. That’s funny.
AL: I don’t think it was very long, either.
LT: But yeah, I feel like I spent a lot of afternoons there with Ann doing Fort Reno stuff.
TP: What do you remember of how the set up for shows were.
AL: Mattresses on the windows.
LT: I mean, they would play usually, in the living room, right in front of the fireplace area. And people would be all up the stairs watching, and into the dining room, like it would go both ways.
AL: Yeah, I think I mostly watched shows from the dining room. Because I wanted to be close to the band but not right in front. So you could kind of be to the side of the band.
LT: Yeah, it would get really loud.
RC: Yeah, really loud.
TP: What do you think your most significant memory, slash memories, of Kansas are?
AL: I mean, for me, being immediately a part of that community, without having to try or do anything, and everybody just being very nice and welcoming. That’s how I know any of you guys. I think a lot of people thought, oh, they’re hipsters, they’re very snobby, they go to these shows and that’s not what my experience has been at all. I mean, I work at the Phillips Collection and within a month, I’m going to house shows at Ann and Bob’s house. I just liked how inclusive it felt.
RC: Welcoming. Everybody was so welcoming.
TP: What do you guys think?
RC: I remember being there a lot. But I can’t think of any one thing.
TP: It can be a jumble of things.
AL: Screaming “You Sexy Motherfucker” really loud, in my ear! Also being elbowed by Tom Crawley. During Black Sheep… what’s that song? It was like “Engine Engine Number 9.” He jumped up and his elbow came down on my head.
TP: What do you think your most significant moment slash moments are?
LT: I don’t know. I feel like you’re looking for one specific moment. And I do have a lot of very significant moments. But they don’t seem so monumental any one of them in particular.
TP: Monumental how?
LT: Like, I was saying, I remember being there in a giant snowstorm and Ryan and I going there and getting Ann and us walking to the diner. Things like that. I have very specific memories, but none of them seem that monumental. So I think it was more just, encapsulated that time in Arlington. Arlington is nothing like it was when Kansas started having shows and being a group house. And it sort of outlasted the Positive Force House, the Simple Machines House, the Teenbeat House. You know, all of those others.
TP: How did you guys find out that there was something going on there?
RC: I think it was through Marc.
LT: But it was word of mouth. It wasn’t fliers. I think occasionally there were fliers, people would hand out fliers for things, but I do think it was mostly word of mouth.
TP: So, would people call you, do you remember how you received the transmission?
LT: I feel like a lot of bands played there that Ann had met on tour. Or through people from tour, so there would be out of town bands sometimes that nobody really knew so she would be like, come to the show!
RC: But it was definitely through phone calls. If that’s what you’re asking. It wasn’t an email posting, or sending out an email.
LT: She would either tell you in person about a show or something or call you.
TP: How was that different from other shows that you would go to? Like if you went to a Black Cat show?
RC: It just seemed more personable. It wasn’t like a club level. It was somebody’s home. It was just more personal being there.
AL: It was more like hanging out and going to a party almost.
LT: As far as finding out about it, I don’t know if it was that different.
AL: Yeah, you would find out about Galaxy Hut shows or Black Cat shows by word of mouth.
LT: I think it was just,
RC: That time…
LT: …there would be more flyers…
RC: …for Black Cat shows.
TP: Can you think of anything else? I mean, going and meeting in a snowstorm and going to the diner is totally cool.
LT: I remember that, I remember getting his car and going out with him and Sascha to look at his car. I don’t know. They’re just like, stupid. It was just a big, you know, like, part of my life for a period of time I guess. But that’s more like personal sentiment than the history of Kansas.
TP: Can you think of anything else?
AL: I remember getting hit in the eye with Mike Kanin’s drum stick at a No-Gos. Was it a No-Gos show?
RC: You remember the shows, I just remember being there and seeing a band.
LT: What other bands do you remember playing there?
AL: I saw Juno there. I guess I saw Most Secret Method. I know Dismemberment Plan. The Rapture I remember seeing there. Rah Bras, No Gos. I don’t know if I ever saw the Black Eyes there.
LT: I’m sure you did.
TP: I feel like if you were at the show, there’s a good chance that we were all at the show.
LT: Rainer Maria, maybe? Did they play there?
TP: I remember seeing them at Black Cat.
RC: I remember seeing a band with Jerry Buscher. But what band would that have been?
AL: French Toast. The first incarnation of French Toast played there.
TP: Jerry was in All-Scars.
AL: Oh yeah, All-Scars.
LT: I’m definitely forgetting a ton of bands. Although I’m sure Garland of Hours. Wait, what was the band Bob and Amy were in?
TP: Telegraph Melts.
LT: Yeah. I loved them.
AL: I think I only saw them at the Cat.
LT: I think they played their last show there.
TP: They did play their last show there, according to Amy, and her copious notes.
LT: Well, she would know.
TP: Do you guys remember seeing David’s movie there?
RC: No. I feel like I saw it at a bookstore.
LT: At the Border’s, when Jimmy was working at the Border’s in Pentagon City. That’s where I saw it.
RC: Yeah, that’s where I saw it.
TP: You didn’t see it at the house as well?
LT: I may have, but I don’t remember. I do remember David being there. But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a movie there.
RC: What was that movie with, um, Jason Farrell?
LT: Oh, the Route?
RC: What was that? Where did we see that?
LT: No, that was earlier.
RC: Oh. Maybe that was in Silver Spring.
LT: No, sorry.
RC: It’s okay… side note. I remember that movie, I don’t know why.
LT: Route one?
RC: That popped in my head when Tina said movie.
TP: Can you think of anything else?
LT: I mean, there was definitely some good dance parties. There was the starting of the Aquarius Party. And maybe the Capricorn party?
AL: It was Aquarius. Why would a Capricorn be involved?
LT: I thought you guys had one Capricorn party there.
AL: No. We had one at Liz’s house. That was the first one.
TP: The Capricorn Party did sort of take over that sort of winter need for having a dance party.
RC: And there were definitely more of us Capricorns. We were like, we’re definitely doing this! Pushing Adrianne to have her parties… “I’m so tired of these people. Alright I’ll do one more…”
TP: Anything else?
RC: I can’t think of anything. I remember bikes. Bikes being in the house, all the time. There were always a ton of bikes.
AL: I remember an idea that Ann and I had for a movie, which was that she would be in her bedroom window, just angry and shouting at people and giving everybody the finger who walks by, and that would be the movie. I don’t know why I even thought of that.
LT: I remember there was always a really long line for the bathroom.
AL: There was only one bathroom. Well, there was two, there was on in the basement, but nobody would want to.
LT: No, there was one in the back room.
TP: There was three, there was one in Jonathan’s room.
LT: I’m not telling that story!
RC: Wasn’t there one in the kitchen? In the back?
LT: No, there was a porch off the back, off the kitchen.
AL: There was another way to come in.
RC: That’s right.
AL: I remember there was one in the basement, and I think I maybe went into the basement once or twice. And I think that Jason Hammacher tried to clean up.
LT: There was a shower in there. It was scary. I remember one time there was a carbon monoxide leak.
TP: There was? When was that?
LT: I think Ann and Bob were there, and they didn’t know, the fire people had to come.
TP: How did they know?
LT: I don’t know, I think they were feeling really weird and called someone and it turns out they had a carbon monoxide…
TP: Oh my god I did not know that.
LT: I think we had a yard sale there once. Kim Stryker, me, you? A bunch of people, Ann?
TP: Maybe not me, but I think I was at that yard sale but not selling anything. Do you remember any sort of like, non-show hang out?
RC: I just remember us doing pancakes after Galaxy Hut a lot.
AL: I remember, at least one Christmas and New Year’s, maybe New Year’s might have been more of a music thing. I just remember sleeping over there and making breakfast the next day.
LT: Yeah, I have photos of that, with Mary Chen and Bill and Shellie.
AL: I would always have to make the hash browns.
LT: Wait, who would go? It was like me, you, Ann and Chris Turko?
RC: Yeah, I think it was when he was living there.
AL: Did he live there?
TP: Chris Turko lived at Kansas?
LT: No, no, no. I don’t think he lived there.
AL: I don’t think he lived there. I think he lived in Silver Spring.
LT: Yeah, I don’t think he ever lived there. Do you have a running list of everyone who lived there?
RC: I just remember him being there all the time.
TP: Um… a mythical list.
AL: Ryan played with him and Erik played with him.
TP: He was in Oswego for about five minutes, right?
AL: Well, Oswego was Chris Turko’s band. Cause I think Chris Turko is actually from Oswego. And Ryan was just with the band.
TP: That’s right. Ryan was with the band for five minutes.
AL: And Erik, and Mike Markarian.
TP: Well, alright. What were you going to say?
LT: I don’t know… I feel like it’s not very good.
TP: Why? You talked for a half an hour.
AL: What about the bathroom story.
TP: We have to turn this off for the bathroom story!
LT: It’s not that good of a story. I feel like we didn’t have any good stories. We’d all be like, this one time, at Kansas Street…
AL: Well, I remember, when Motorcycle Wars and Dead Teenagers came back from tour, first of all Jason had this bowl hair cut that our coworker at City Paper had given him.
AL: Amelia’s sister. He had this bowl haircut. So they were back from tour. Ann was gonna make food later. There was some other band that was in town. Was Juno there, too? It was like a daytime show at Now.
TP: It might have been Juno.
AL: I don’t know, but anyways, so Ann and I go to Whole Foods, we get some bottles of wine, blah blah blah… so over the course of the afternoon and evening, I probably drank at least a bottle and a half of wine. Like a normal bottle and a half of wine. And after we eat, I think Ben Adams made gnocchi, and after we were done eating, Ben and I were on the front porch and he’s very, he likes to smoke pot. So he had some in a cigarette, and I took some, but I was smoking it like a cigarette, so I took some big puffs and all of a sudden I was like, I ran upstairs to the bathroom and just made like… red wine and pot don’t go together.
TP: Did you know it was pot?
AL: Yeah, I knew it was pot. Red wine and pot don’t mix. At least for me. And I got that paranoid thing, I was convinced everybody knew I was high. And I got sick in the bathroom. And I told Shellie, “Shellie, I have to go, now! Give me some money so I can take a cab.” And I took a cab home.
TP: That’s really funny.
AL: That’s my best and worse memory of Kansas. Because it was cool, you know, Dead Teenagers and Motorcycle Wars were on their cross country tour, and when they came back it was just fun hanging out.
TP: I have these theories as to why we missed, well I was not at the Motorcycle Wars show, because Jason talked about it. How Clark was wrapped up in aluminum foil.
LT: I don’t think I was there. I get confused because the first Motorcycle Wars show…
TP: Was at Luzon. When Clark fell through the ceiling?
RC: Didn’t Dead Teengaers and Motorcycle Wars always play together?
TP: Not all the time.
AL: A lot of the time, but not all the time.
TP: Because Mary didn’t remember being at the Kansas Hosue show, either, and I’m wondering if we were in LA visiting her. Because we missed a Motorcycle Wars show being there, and it was either that show or the Luzon house show.
LT: Did the years work out for that right? Maybe. Wait, was Luzon that other house in Arlington?
TP: No, it’s Joe Easley’s house.
LT: The first Motorcycle Wars show, nobody knew what it was. I just knew that Jimmy was in this band, and he wouldn’t really tell me that much about it.
RC: Wasn’t it at the park, in Clarendon?
LT: No, that was…
AL: That was a show… but,
LT: That wasn’t at the first show, I don’t think any of you guys were at the first show.
TP: I wasn’t at the first two or three.
LT: I had gone to the Dischord office for some reason, I was dropping something off for Ryan, and I was talking to Cynthia and said, oh, I was going to go to this show. And she said oh, I was going to go there too. And so I drove her to the show, and so it’s in this basement, in someone’s house in Arlington. I don’t know who lived there. And then Clark starts, I think he was shirtless, and wearing some fur jacket, and rolling on the ground. And we were like, what the fuck? It was like, is he serious, is this a joke? I think that was the first Motorcycle Wars show.
AL: I forgot about the Luzon… that’s the one where he did come through the ceiling.
TP: And I wasn’t at that one.
AL: I wasn’t at the Galaxy Hut one where he was lowered from Nikhil’s window.
LT: I actually thought I was at every Motorcycle Wars show.
TP: But Mary was saying, apparently at the Kansas House show, Bonnie was like, 8 months pregnant.
LT: I kinda remember the foil.
TP: I don’t know if I remember the foil, or if I don’t really remember it, but it’s Jason’s story about the foil.
AL: I don’t think they played at the house when they got back from tour. They played at the Cat a couple times, but I don’t think they played at the Kansas House after they came back from tour, which was also about the time that Bonnie was pregnant. I just remember when she got tackled at the Black Cat at their last show. I was like “be careful.” That was also when Clark got injured, when Jason Hammacher shoved him off the stage.
TP: Onto a broken glass! Onto a pint glass.
LT: What about people you first met at Kansas?
AL: Well, I met you, the first time there. I’m not really sure when I met you. I remember you, but I’m not sure if I had met you.
TP: At Kansas?
AL: Like, the shouting thing was my first memory of you, but we must have been introduced, to even be paying attention to this crazy person screaming in my ear!
TP: For Rosana to feel comfortable screaming “You sexy motherfucker” into your ear?
AL: She was just screaming it out to the room. And I don’t know how I met you. Because I probably met you and Jason around the same time.
TP: Maybe it was at Kansas.
AL: Because it must’ve been… and it was all through Ryan or Ann or Erik.
TP: I remember that you, and Shellie and Liz all kind of showed up around the same time.
TP: Who did you meet there?
LT: I don’t know. I guess… apparently Adrianne. Like, Adrianne, Shellie. I definitely got to know there, if not first introductions. And Mary Chen, I met her when she first came down with Bill, before she even lived here. But I think I kind of got to know her at Kansas. And then, I was always happy to drive by and see that the house was still there, and occasionally I would hear that there were shows there, and I was like, that’s awesome that there were still shows at Kansas.
AL: Yeah, I met that guy once, who was still doing shows. Other than that, I never heard of anybody in that house.
RC: I probably met Bob, the first time I met Bob was probably there. Because I wouldn’t have known… I mean, maybe the Galaxy Hut, but it was probably being at Kansas.
TP: I remember when I met Bob there. And I know I met Jason and Craig there. And Joe Gross.
LT: Joe Gross! We had Joe Gross’ going away party at Kansas. I remember being a cake.
TP: That was Mary Chen!
AL: There was a surprise party for Mary Chen.
LT: Oh, there was that, too, the Guy’s Butt cake.
AL I remember that! But it had to be more butt shaped.
LT: No, but there was, for Joe Gross. I made him put on this little kid’s cowboy hat, and somebody made a banner, I think it was Tom Crawley?
TP: Oh, he worked at Sign-A-Rama.
LT: And it said, like, “Fuck You, Joe Gross.” Or something like that.